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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.04.18 16:36:00 -
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Just make us see alts. Some corp declared war on EVE university and seem to consist mainly of alts, or people that just started and decided to declare a war on a newbie corporation. I kind of think its the alt thing. So far both sides are having fun and itŠs a good experience for the new players in our corp and I kind of like to fight in frigates so I have no problem with this.
However I can understand that it annoys a controversial corp like Jerico Fraction that lots of people hate and probably more love. Yet another group just loves to hate them 
The main problem with this alt war business is that we are forced to play the victim. You can never attack their mining ops or their agent goers because the finance their dirty deeds with their mains and they are untouchable unless ofcourse you know who they are.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.04.18 16:39:00 -
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Yup alts are lame. Make all alts show up as "Associate of [Char1] and [Char2]", that'll fix it!
But that'll also screw up a load of things like spies that enemy corps have planted into eachother and hauling alts of neg sec people and this and that... so... find a solution without my genius this time! 
This would also open up a whole new market for people. There are probably lots of people that would love to be the henchman of Viceroy  . Spying wouldnŠt be so easy but you could bribe someone in the corp to give you information. Corp theft would be a lot harder and you would also have to live with your actions and reputation.
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Posted - 2004.04.18 17:31:00 -
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They risk their ships and modules and skills and require funding and time and effort to develop to any half-decent level for "success", or even being able to fight at all.
We are talking about two weeks old alts that have cheap clones. You can make a combat capable frigate pilote in something like 2 weeks and not only that but it's as good a frigate you can get but that's a whole other issue. All you really need is mwd and cruise missile and then you are on the top of your pvp career. They get to attack your mining ops and camp for agent runners. All you can do is attack their combat frigates that probably don't cost more than 500k ISK with modules.
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Tracking of alt ownership and such like is not required. Just infiltrate the corp and find out yourself. It is easy enough to do and requires only as much time and effort as those who make these corps and alts to fight with put in themselves.
There is one flaw in this arguement many of those corps are created just to fight this war and only accept those they know.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.04.18 17:57:00 -
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The point is Morkt that to make live in EVE you have to have income, well you donŠt have to but it would be a dull game otherwise  . So while this newly created alt can attack me while IŠm ready for combat and when IŠm calmly doing agent mission to safe up some money for my next toy. I however can only attack his alt as he does all the money making with his main.
I have never understood why people in war always gather up their fleet and attack the fleet of the other corp. To win a war you have to hit them where it hurts and that is in the wallet. Ideally I would deal with alts declaring war on me by declaring war on their main corp but if I donŠt know who they are then I canŠt do that can I. If they are all alts that come from they same corp/alliance/group of friends then I have not means of infiltrating that group and hence canŠt find what corp IŠm really at war with. Note I do kind of like having a war with an alt corp but I do understand why people get ****ed of about alt wars.
The issue with the low skill points then I want people to be able to fight from day one and I want them to do it  itŠs just that I donŠt like the fact that it doesnŠt really matter how high my frigate skill points are I will never be better off then any frigate pilot with cruise missiles and mwd but that certainly hasnŠt got anything to do with this thread.
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Posted - 2004.04.18 18:23:00 -
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Wont disagree Joshua - I wish CCP had made it only 1 character per account from the start.
Unfortunately even if they had done that then people could still go out buy a second account and do the same thing.
Well everyone has two alts not everybody is nuts enough to buy two accounts just to have war. Exposing alts would not completely kill the problem but it would reduce it a lot of course if anyone have another solution IŠm all ears.
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Posted - 2004.04.20 10:47:00 -
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Leave a thread for a day and miss all the flaming and trolling 
Morkt the problem with making the character with most skill points be the main is that if I would like to start over and create a new character that character would be an alt for a very long time, well maybe not to long as I borked the training on this char  . I personally wouldnŠt get my knikckers in a twist because I not that sort of guy.
I still donŠt see a problem with exposing the alts. So far the arguements I have heard is that pirates could have an honest alt in a big corp and wouldnŠt like them exposed. Well I see sponsoring their "evil" main with their alt is a little wrong. Riddari pointed out that he had another character in a more traditional roleplaying corp that he would not like exposed. If anyone would understand that he had two characters and they were not related it would be roleplaying guys.
About LornaŠs idea I donŠt know what it is but there seems to be something wrong with it... oh well IŠll let you know when I find out
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Posted - 2004.04.20 17:59:00 -
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Jade trollers are like commercials, ignore them and they away
I have quit trying to find flaws on LornaŠs idea and have come to accept it as a very viable solution coupled with some spy agents that letŠs you "check" peopleŠs wallet. That would go a long way in solving the alt abuse while leaving "legitimate" use of them intact.
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